Guest Episode

Dr. Gundry on Butyrate, Biofilms, and the Truth About Probiotics

Season 2, Episode #049

August 11, 2025

Summary

Dr. Brandon Crawford and bestselling author Dr. Steven Gundry challenge the medical myth of a mind-body separation, arguing the gut may be our "first brain." They dive into how gut health, influenced by biofilms, light, and microbial diversity, directly impacts brain fog, mood, and chronic disease. Learn practical steps to heal your gut ecosystem, boost butyrate, and reframe your approach to wellness from the inside out.

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Show Notes

In this episode of The Longevity Formula, Dr. Brandon Crawford sits down with renowned cardiothoracic surgeon turned nutrition expert, Dr. Steven Gundry. Dr. Gundry, the bestselling author of The Plant Paradox and The Gut Brain Paradox, recounts his journey from a famous surgeon to a clinical researcher, sparked by a patient's "impossible" recovery that redefined his understanding of diet and chronic disease. He makes the compelling case that the gut is not just a second brain, but perhaps the first, and that a leaky gut is the root cause of many modern ailments, from autoimmune diseases to neurological issues.

The conversation goes beyond simple diet to explore the deeper drivers of health. Dr. Gundry explains his clinical approach to healing the gut by addressing issues like low vitamin D and razor-blade-like lectins. He shares his insights on why conventional probiotics often fail and how he focuses on creating a "tropical rainforest" for the microbiome by using a combination of soluble fibers and fermented foods. The discussion also touches on the surprising impact of light on gut circadian rhythms and the crucial role of the vagus nerve in gut-brain communication, offering listeners actionable, science-backed strategies to begin their healing journey and achieve lasting wellness.

Key Takeaways

  1. Leaky Gut as the Root Cause of Disease: Dr. Gundry believes that most chronic and autoimmune diseases stem from a leaky gut, and healing requires rebuilding this ecosystem rather than just treating symptoms.
  2. The Vagus Nerve is a Two-Way Street: The vagus nerve is a critical communication line where nine messages travel from the gut to the brain for every one that travels the other way, highlighting its primary role in brain health and mood regulation.
  3. The Overlooked Impact of Lectins: Lectins are damaging plant compounds that act like "razor blades" in the gut, and while traditional cultures developed methods like fermentation and soaking to neutralize them, these practices have largely been lost in modern food preparation.
  4. Vitamin D as a Gut and Immune Regulator: High-dose vitamin D supplementation is a vital strategy for healing a leaky gut and calming an overactive immune system, as many people have insufficient levels even with sun exposure.

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Resources

Books by Dr. Gundry:

  • The Plant Paradox (2017)
  • The Longevity Paradox
  • Gut Check (latest)
  • The Energy Paradox
  • Unlocking the Keto Code

Clinical Tools & Tests:

  • Vibrant Wellness “Gut Zoomer” stool test + Anti‑zonulin, Anti‑actin, Anti‑LPS leaky gut blood panel Gundry Health

Supplement Protocols / Products:

  • Gundry MD 24‑strain probiotic (research-based formulation)
  • Gundry MD Bio Complete 3 (prebiotic + probiotic + postbiotic blend)

Specific Concepts & Tools Mentioned:

  • Vitamin D3 (aggressive dosing up to 10,000–40,000 IU/day with K2) to seal gut and suppress autoimmunity
  • Fermented foods (kimchi, sauerkraut, kefir, coffee, tea, wine, dark chocolate) as critical fiber + microbial substrates
  • Light therapy (red / near‑infrared photobiomodulation) to influence gut microbiome and mitochondria

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Dr. Gundry

Dr. Brandon Crawford

Dr. Steven Gundry is a former Professor and Chairman of Cardiothoracic Surgery at Loma Linda University, who performed thousands of heart surgeries. A patient's heart disease reversal through diet inspired him to pivot his career from surgery to nutrition. Since 2002, he has focused on healing chronic illnesses with gut-centric protocols at his clinics. He is a New York Times bestselling author and hosts The Dr. Gundry Podcast.
About The Guest

Dr. Steven Gundry, MD

Dr. Steven Gundry is a former Professor and Chairman of Cardiothoracic Surgery at Loma Linda University, who performed thousands of heart surgeries. A patient's heart disease reversal through diet inspired him to pivot his career from surgery to nutrition. Since 2002, he has focused on healing chronic illnesses with gut-centric protocols at his clinics. He is a New York Times bestselling author and hosts The Dr. Gundry Podcast.

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